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The following debate originally took place here, upon the Facebook wall of the page, “Insider Tech“…

Insider Tech: The vaccines will not be mandatory for all Americans and can’t track your location via microchip. But they also won’t be effective instantaneously.

8 Coronavirus Vaccine Myths Debunked, From Microchipping to DNA Changes:
https://www.businessinsider.com/8-coronavirus-vaccine-myths-debunked-from-microchipping-to-mandates-2020-12

Rayn: Debunk this!

People Harmed by Coronavirus Vaccines Will Have Little Recourse:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-harmed-by-coronavirus-vaccines-will-have-little-recourse-11602432000

Drugmakers Shielded from COVID Vaccine Liability But Funds for Injury Claims in Doubt:
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/14/579150.htm

The PREP Act and COVID-19: Limiting Liability for Medical Countermeasures:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443

New Push Could Block COVID-19 Vaccine Injuries From Program That Usually Pays Victims:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/new-push-could-block-covid-19-vaccine-injuries-from-program-that-usually-pays-victims/2415521/

Big Pharma Co. Gets Immunity from COVID Vaccine Liability: ‘We as a Company Simply Cannot Take the Risk’:
https://www.westernjournal.com/big-pharma-co-gets-immunity-covid-vaccine-liability-company-simply-cannot-take-risk/

AstraZeneca to be Exempt from Coronavirus Vaccine Liability Claims in Most Countries:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

Drug Companies Continue to Shed Liability for Rushed Coronavirus Treatments:
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/28/coronavirus-vaccine-prep-act/

Who’s Responsible for COVID-19 Vaccine Damage? Not the Manufacturers:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/291361

COVID-19 Vaccine Makers See EU Shield Against Side-Effect Claims:
https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN26D0TY

UK Government Grants Pfizer Civil Legal Indemnity for COVID-19 Vaccine:
https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/12/uk-government-grants-pfizer-civil-legal-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine/

[Canada’s] Trudeau Government Silent on Drug Manufacturer Liability for COVID-19 Vaccines:
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12/08/trudeau-government-liability-covid-19-vaccines/

Vaccine Suppliers Given Indemnity for ‘Inevitable’ Side Effects:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-grants-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-20201008-p5636o.html

Who Pays Compensation if a COVID-19 Vaccine has Rare Side-Effects? Here’s the Little We Know About Australia’s New Deal:
https://theconversation.com/who-pays-compensation-if-a-covid-19-vaccine-has-rare-side-effects-heres-the-little-we-know-about-australias-new-deal-147846

Sallah C.: Rayn, let’s see what these vaccine pushers have to say for themselves

Rayn: Indeed, Sallah!

https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221717010908145

Rayn: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221706768732097

Dylan M.: Rayn Kleipe-Green the faces at the bottom is called Bell’s palsy stop the lie! I even have the original picture of the post!

Rayn: Dylan, please try to keep up with the most current facts, before publishing your uniformed opinion. It’s not a good look. Even the corrupt FDA doesn’t agree with you.

FDA Staff Recommends Watching for Bell’s Palsy in Moderna and Pfizer Vaccine Recipients:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html

Sallah C.: Top WHO Scientist Says Vaccinated Travelers Should Still Quarantine, Citing Lack of Evidence That COVID-19 Vaccines Prevent Transmission:
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronavirus-vaccine-prevent-transmissions-2020-12

Megan D.: Rayn, hey I got a little (actually a lot) of helpful info from the articles you provided and honestly, I don’t think you read these articles fully. Maybe it was just a lack of comprehension, but here’s a few excerpts from the articles: Vaccines generally are safe, but they can cause side effects—called “adverse events” in studies—including shoulder injuries related to injections, allergic reactions, fainting and certain neurological conditions like encephalitis. Some of the side effects are rare, and public-health officials say the benefits of vaccines in preventing diseases like polio, measles and rotavirus outweigh the risks. 2nd article: No vaccine or drug is 100% safe,” said Cody Meissner, head of the Pediatric Infectious Disease Division at Tufts Medical Center and former chairman of the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines. But benefits exceed the risks. “An adverse reaction for any vaccine is much less than catching the illness and having complications.” 3rd article: While the PREP Act declaration for COVID-19 countermeasures remains in effect, persons seriously injured by the administration of a COVID-19 vaccine authorized by FDA through an EUA (such as the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine or the Moderna vaccine) could seek compensation through CICP, not VICP. Generally speaking, compensation through CICP is somewhat more limited than VICP. I gave you information from sources you provided on how this vaccine will benefit you, what risks it has, and compensation if an injury results! Hey, thanks for that! Now try rereading those articles YOU provided so you can see for yourself!

Rayn: I read every single article I shared, here, Meghan, and they all report the same VITAL facts that you completely sidestep, to shamelessly shill for Big Pharma…

The Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines employ a very new, completely experimental mRNA technology, yet were both rushed through the normal testing phases, and released to the public without the usual benefit of conducting long-term studies, first.

Both companies will continue to study their products, after public release, meaning that the public is part of a BETA TEST, without their knowledge or informed consent.

The pharmaceutical manufacturers will not be held liable for any damages caused by their products. In other words, only “immunity” these vaccines offer, ironically, is legal immunity, for Big Pharma! Any damages caused by these experimental vaccines will be paid for through our tax-dollars, not through the enormous profits that Big Pharma is making off of their experimental vaccines.

Pfizer and Moderna Could Score $32 Billion in COVID-19 Vaccine Sales — in 2021 Alone:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/business/pfizer-vaccine-covid-moderna-revenue/index.html

I gave you pertinent information from my sources, and you ignored it, to shill for Big Pharma, and justify mass-scale human experimentation by convicted corporate felon pharmaceutical companies, without informed consent. Try reading the articles I posted, and thinking critically about the information, instead of waiting for the mainstream media monopoly to connect the dots, for you… With all of the articles I shared, did you find anything about Pfizer being a convicted corporate felon company, found guilty of false advertisement, and pushing dangerous products on the public, in one of the biggest cases like it, in American history?

Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History-
Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

And, it wasn’t even their first time!

Huge Penalty in Drug Fraud / Pfizer Settles Felony Case in Neurontin Off-Label Promotion:
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Huge-penalty-in-drug-fraud-Pfizer-settles-2759293.php

Megan D.: Rayn, so to you— you can be anti-mask, anti-vacc, call it a scamdemic. But your concern is that drug companies will profit from saving billions of lives. Please stop, it’s abhorrently clear which side your on, and it’s not of that supporting human life. Tell me how you can be pro-life, but be so completely hypocritical about people actually doing things to save lives and care for other humans. Your arguments are invalid. Byyyeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Rayn: I never mentioned anything about “anti-mask,” nor “scamdemic,” nor did I “spread conspiracy theories,” Meghan. Please stay on topic, and avoid using your imagination to add fallacious strawmen into this discussion. It’s completely unreasonable for you to create my position for me. And, it’s distracting that I’m forced to correct your erroneous logic, with time that I’d prefer to spent sharing information, rather than dispelling a load of myths you’ve created surrounding my position. Pay attention to the *actual* words I’ve posted, here, and place your biases, digressions, and emotion, aside. If you manage to get there, you’ll soon discover that my high-level concerns about a rushed, experimental vaccine product, with no long-term studies, beta-tested on the public, at large, and created by a career convicted corporate felon company that has been preemptively granted legal immunity by the governments of the world from any damages that their product might cause, are absolutely warranted, 100%. The history of Pfizer doesn’t at all support your delusions about this career convicted corporate felon pharmaceutical company “doing things to save lives and care for other humans.” Your unquestioning dedication to government and corporation based “science” exposes your complete and total historical illiteracy.

The following debate originally took place upon my post, “Trust Your Own Immune System to Avoid Becoming a Weak, Helpless Lab Rat for Big Pharma“…

Rayn: Trust your own immune system, humanity! Don’t become a weak, helpless lab rat for Big Pharma.

According to the John Hopkins University COVID-19 trend tracker for the United States, as of December 8th, the overall mortality rate for Americans infected with COVID-19 is 1.88%. This means that the current overall recovery rate for Americans of all age groups infected with COVID-19 is 98.22%!

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

“John Hopkins University COVID-19 Trend Tracker for USA”

Kevin B.: Only 0.3% of Americans died in WWII. Innumeracy kills

Rayn: Got relevance, Kevin? Ignorance kills, troll.

Rayn: Kevin, I posted this infographic I created as the last installment in a series of eight posts that I made, over the course of an hour, highlighting the ability of the average American’s immune system to fight off COVID-19 more effectively and safely than through use of an experimental, fast-tracked, liability-free vaccination product created by Big Pharma, for profit. Try keeping up, troll. In all of the many “communications” you’ve continued to initiate with me, on my Facebook wall, your desire for conflict with me far outweighs your ability to employ logic, reason, intellectual curiosity, or even basic critical thinking skills.

Here are my posts, in order…

1:36pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697699425370

1:43pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697734146238

1:58pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697851669176

1:58pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697869029610

1:59pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697894950258

2:00pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697905910532

2:20pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221697992432695

2:33pm: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221698044914007

Rayn: You’re a pathetic clown, Kevin. If you’ll recall, when you graffitied my wall with one of your signature arrogant, ignorant troll posts, three weeks ago, I asked you the following two questions…

“Why don’t you go masturbate your ego on your own FB wall? Or, do you prefer the larger audience that mine affords you? “

(Read here: https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221563246864140)

Now, I have a follow-up question. Why are you still posting to my wall, though I’ve already made it very apparent that I’m not interested in your pathetic ego-stroking self-affirmations, nor your mindless regurgitation of media talking points, nor your reflexive witch-hunts against those who question the orthodoxy of the Almighty Corporate-State-Military-Industrial-Pharma-Media Complex???

Rayn:

Kevin B.: I’m not posting on your wall. You’re posting on my feed. There’s a difference. You also forgot that when you posted that you clearly snoozed me for 30 days or something because you disappeared from my feed altogether until now and I never read that. But even if I had read that it wouldn’t stop me from correcting your dangerous and ridiculous disinformation.

Rayn: I’m posting content onto *my own* Facebook wall, Kevin. Each one bears *my* unique URL, clown.

The address link for the post we’re currently “corresponding” on is https://www.facebook.com/acidrayn/posts/10221698044914007. “AcidRayn” is my Facebook handle, joker. Like I said, before: try to keep up, Captain!

As usual, I’ll continue to dispel your “ridiculous disinformation,” while you continue to troll my Facebook wall with your crudely-scrawled graffiti, in a disgusting display of ego-stroking repulsion. And, though you arrogantly delude yourself otherwise, red herrings, strawman, and Dakar accusations that I’m “Q” don’t actually qualify as “correcting.” They are just the desperate tactics of a human lab rat, feeling cornered by his own cognitive dissonance, and irrationally lashing out against those who even think to question the experiment.

Kevin B.: Every post has an audience. If you include me on it appears on my feed. You have a very good handle on describing the problems, you just chose to accuse me of them rather than face yourself.

Rayn: They’re *my* posts, on *my* Facebook wall, Kevin. You’re just a pathetic garden-variety troll, spreading disinformation on my posts, under the arrogant delusion that graffiti’ing my Facebook wall with logical fallacies and false accusations somehow constitutes “correcting” me. 

I’ll ask, for a third time: Why don’t you go masturbate your ego on your own FB wall, lab rat? Or, do you prefer the larger audience that mine affords you?

And, for the second time: Why are you still posting onto my wall, though I’ve already made it very apparent that I’m not interested in your pathetic ego-stroking self-affirmations, nor your mindless regurgitation of media talking points, nor your reflexive witch-hunts against those who question the orthodoxy of the Almighty Corporate-State-Military-Industrial-Pharma-Media Complex???

Rayn:

Kevin B.: Emperors never like to hear they have no clothes. You’re the emperor of a facebook stream. Congratulations. My posts here exist because you authorize them. Proof of that was illustrated when you deleted them in the past. You can delete them again, block me, erase me if you like. But it’s still a big, sad, dangerous mess you preside over.

Damion B.: Kevin, dude you are riding Rayn’s cock. Claiming that you aren’t posting on her wall. What a lose

Rayn: Kevin, I’ve never deleted a single one of your pathetic comments onto any of my posts, you clown. And, the only thing that I’ve seen, so far, that’s naked is your aggression and arrogance, which you seem eager to display, regularly, to all 3,455+ of my Facebook friends. 

The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall…

Rayn:

Kevin B.: Deaths lag cases by weeks. Thousands of Americans died this week.

Rayn: Kevin, COVID is even less deadly than seasonal flu, you fear-mongering, panic-porn star! Is the sky falling, too, Chicken Little? The CDC posted the most recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID on their website. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

Scenario 1-2:
0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

Scenario 3-4:
0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

Scenario 5:
0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Rayn: You’re just a fear-mongering, panic-porn-producing slob, Kevin. Your posts are like crudely-scrawled graffiti to my wall. Take your war-criminal-supporting, civilian-bombing-supporting, drug-war-supporting, imperialist-supporting, 1%-supporting hypocritical doublethink, elsewhere. Life is only precious for you when it’s convenient and politically expedient. Go vote harder for more murderous scumbag politicians, you arrogant, self-centered poser! 

The following debate originally took place on my Facebook wall…

Kevin: “It’s just the flu” was irresponsible know-nothingism at the beginning of the month. Now it’s way beyond that, highest order horseshit standing on the necks of the dead and dying

Rayn: Kevin, it’s even less deadly than the flu, you fear-mongering, panic-porn star! Is the sky falling, too, Chicken Little? The CDC posted their most recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID on their website. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

Scenario 1-2:
0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

Scenario 3-4:
0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

Scenario 5:
0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html