Vivisection and Dismemberment of Unborn for ‘Crime’ of Being Unwanted Constitutes Cruel and Unusual Punishment

The following debate originally took place upon my post, “Pro-Choice is a Cowardly Excuse for Murdering the Most Voiceless and Vulnerable Members of Humanity“…

Rayn: Pro-choice is a weak excuse for lawless, unrepentant, hypocritical murderous intent against the most voiceless and vulnerable members of humanity. Disableds and Poors deserve to live, too, you hard-hearted, cold-blooded lizard! Those who believe otherwise are the real low-born, low-class, low-empathy, low-vibe, low-lives, on our planet. Those who value their comfort in this temporary material world more than the self-sustaining, self-renewing, self-replicating Eternal Father Spirit blot their own Names out of the Book of Life!

Jeff T.: I think you need a chill pill.

Rayn: Indeed. This soon-to-be mother looks like she could use a relaxing break from “politics”…

Jeff T.: As far as Im concerned a baby growing inside a woman without her permission (accidental pregnancy or rape) is similar to an intruder in ones house. Deadly force is justified, and warranted. Especially considering how many woman die during birth or pregnancy in general.

Honestly we need to just start making our kids in pitri dishes already. Kinda kidding on that one lol

Rayn: You present a false analogy. As far as I’m concerned, a baby growing inside a woman who was raped is similar to an infant stowaway. Deadly force is not justified, nor warranted. According to American case law, a boat company cannot eject a stowaway from their craft, into the water, mid-trip, a train company cannot eject a stowaway from a moving train, mid-trip, and a plane company cannot eject a stowaway, mid-flight. The reason is because it would mean certain death, and trespassing, alone, is not a death sentence crime. Stowaways must be safely returned to dry land, then be charged with trespassing. These companies cannot jettison even unruly passengers from their crafts, mid-trip. Offenders must be sequestered for arrest, to be concluded upon docking or landing. Also, according to American case law, a landlord cannot even evict a non-paying tenant, if that tenant is plugged up to life support machines, until that tenant is safely placed in an alternative location. Meanwhile, babies who are conceived through rape are still as innocent as their rape-victimized mother, and hence, deserve to keep their precious sacred lives. And, babies should not be evicted from their mother’s womb as “trespassers” until they can safely exist, outside of the womb.

Would you be willing to eject a baby stowaway or child stowaway from your car, mid-trip, simply because the infant is “trespassing”? According to American case law, such a response would constitute a crime.

Jeff T.: Rayn, equating a fetus with a stowaway is no where near accurate

A stowaway creates no risk to a vessel. Pregnancy can kill the mother.

Also once a stowaway leaves the vessel, no damage or scarring was done to the vessel. The process of child birth is insane to say the least. Rarely do women go through with it without repercussions.

Try again

Also, why do you want genetic copies of rapists going around?

Rayn: Stowaways have spend months, hiding away, on long ship voyages. And, before they were discovered, they caused plenty of damage to cargo and even the ship, when found hiding in the rudders section. Exposed stowaways have attacked and even killed ship crew members who attempted to apprehend them. Exposed stowaways once burned the ship they were on down to escape, after being imprisoned in the holding area by crew. In another case, exposed stowaways banded together and hijacked the entire ship. The issues that stowaways cause regarding security and safety of crew and vessel, scheduling delays and detours, legal costs, and government fines and fees are enough to destroy any business not prepared to approach the matter, with a proactively preventative position, since the human rights of stowaways, much like prisoners, demand that they be fed and safely transported to shore, for legal processing…

Stowaways on Ships a Continuous Problem for Carriers:

Even serial killers aren’t executed through medical vivisection and fatal dismemberment. So, why are unborn “trespasser” treated to such cruel and unusual punishment for their “crime” of being unwanted? How about we all “try again” about this issue, since it’s a crime against humanity?

Protecting innocent human life from harm is always justified. If unborn child places innocent mother in clear and present danger of fatal injury during pregnancy, then mother must be protected from unborn child. And, such a mother noticeably instinctively protects her unborn child’s right to a natural death – completely devoid of vivisection and dismemberment. Many women, even here on Facebook, have shared their experiences as grieving mothers of such children – including pictures of the tiny undisturbed bodies of their deceased unborn babies, who incurred no physical damage during their extraction from mother.

Overall, I suspect that your abortion position doesn’t actually represent the women you imagine it does…

Jeff T.: Ah I see whats going on here

You have a chip against the kinds of people that typically need abortions the most, so youd like to imprison them to use them as slaves

You know, just like when slavery was “abolished” here in the states, so they added prison slavery to make up for the difference in needed labor to build much of our country

And to add injury to insult they outlawed weed and added a shit ton of dumb laws to keep the cells stocked

Its ok to be racist, theirs plenty of groups like the nazis for you to join!

You know the earth is flat too right!!!

Rayn: Jeff, you have zero evidence to support your baseless accusations against me. Your Strawman Arguments only expose your inability to justify the vivisection and dismemberment of unwanted unborn for the crime of “trespassing.”

Jeff T.: Rayn, just calling you out, cause theres a large lack of logic in your ideals

You see, for some reason, you consider the fetus’s right to life more important than the woman.

So there must be something going on behind the scenes with your stance.

Maybe emotional, religious, political?

I dont know, I figured Id take a guess.

One thing is for sure!!!

Im unhinged for spending the time to debate/argue with you, and you’re unhinged for doing the same!!!!

Misery loves company right!!!

Rayn: Actually, you called yourself out, Jeff… as illogical and incapable of engaging in legitimate discourse. You cling to multiple fallacious strawman arguments you invented from thin air, instead of addressing my actual position.

As for your latest strawman fallacy, another transparent effort to distort my position into a caricature of my original statements, I already stated the following, here, yesterday:

“Protecting innocent human life from harm is always justified. If unborn child places innocent mother in clear and present danger of fatal injury during pregnancy, then mother must be protected from unborn child.”

Jeff T.: lol then why are you spouting off all this crap about how abortions are horrible?

Only to then prove yourself full if shit, because ALL pregnancies present clear and present danger lol

The bell curve applies to MMR ya know!

You know math and stuff

Such that very few women die during it, many woman have issues from it, and few women come out unscathed.

Also, what ever happened to “my body my choice” are you also on par with forcing vaccines? You know cause the feds are in no way influenced by pharmaceutical companies or an elite class hell bent on bringing direct slavery back. They are tired of having to pretend its gone.

Have you read a book or watched any good movies/shows lately? Like Handmaids Tale, Brave New World, Schindler’s List, where do you think they come up with the content?… History!!!

Womens rights!?! What a dumb idea, voting rights psssh, land ownership rights please, did you know they can now have their own bank accounts?!?!

Whats the world coming to!!!!

Maybe we should go all leather face/Chainsaw Massacre on them, cut off their limbs all together and keep them under the bed!

All Im trying to colorfully say is women should be the final arbiter of whats going on with their body.

Not your religion

Not your opinion

Not a fetus


Now what I can understand being placed into law, is that if she cant find a doctor to assist, then she will have to do it alone.

As no professional in any field should be forced to do something they dont want to.

This includes bakeries too… 😉

Rayn: Jeff, I wrote that medical vivisection and fatal dismemberment of unwanted unborn human beings constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. I also wrote that this alleged crime of “trespassing” you accuse the unborn of committing is not even a crime worthy of a death sentence, for any other such offender, in our society.

“My body, my choice” protects both mother and unborn child. Hence, as I previously stated, twice, here: “if unborn child places innocent mother in clear and present danger of fatal injury during pregnancy, then mother must be protected from unborn child.” Your attempt to conflate pregnancy with labor exhibits your biological illiteracy. Pregnancy, in itself, is not high-risk. A quarter of conceptions result in early miscarriage. Women actually diagnosed with a “high-risk” pregnancy know this difference, well, especially since many had multiple pregnancies, in between, that were “normal.” Being placenta previa, in the womb, I was a “high risk pregnancy,” myself. There were many complications, involved, and multiple discussions with doctors about the possibility of my being prematurely induced, due to my growing over 10 size and straining my mother’s kidneys. She endured chronic kidney infections, and even visited the ER due to long bouts of uncontrollable vomiting…

As for your latest strawmen arguments, I’m genetically and physiologically a woman. I’m also a mother to a disabled child. I defend equal human rights for all. As a disabled individual, myself, I also speak for the vulnerable and voiceless. It’s my job, in every way… I don’t need a lesson from fiction like a Handmaid’s Tale, because I’m very well-versed in the history eugenics. My writing resume speaks for itself, and I’ll provide many examples of my works, after this post…

As for hiding in a booth to anonymously vote-beg 1% career-criminals to personally show me mercy, while they systematically abuse humanity with the various institutions they force us to pay for… Recognize that Voluntaryist is My Middle Name. As a matter of principle (and contract law), I publicly witness against the State as having no legitimate No Consent from the Governed, exposing the fact that Statism is a Religion and even worse than that, Statism Is A Cult! In Truth, Statism is a disease on humankind! Democracy is not consent. Voting is violence. All human authority is an illusion. Natural law trumps any lie a man could ever even hope to tell about the Nature of Consciousness, energy and frequency, nor the mathematical laws that guide these forces.

Jeff T.: I got bored reading your response at first so I resorted to skimming instead.

Then I saw your rant and had to go back to re read everything to begin with!

agree with you about pretty much everything you stand for btw.

Except the whole abortion thing, but I can forgive you for that! Especially since you recognize our deep state is running/ruining the entire world. Where democracy is used to make mob-rule a legal affair. Add some fiat currency and media control and youve got the masses by the proverbial balls.

Damion S.: Well said, homie! 🔥🔥🔥 Life is precious.

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