George Washington: American Revolutionary, or Slave-Mastering Eugenicist?

The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall…

George Washington, the Slave-Master

George Washington, the Slave-Master

Larry Fox: Ah, Rayn, we became friends just in time to celebrate your birthday on the 22nd. Same birthday as my favorite president. How wonderful!

Rayn: Ha ha! No doubt! I take it George Washington must be your favorite president, then?

Larry Fox: Yes, absolutely. I could talk about him for hours. For now I will only make this one comment: He is the only man in history who led a successful revolutionary army who then turned his back on power. Not Cromwell in England, Caesar in Rome, Castro in Cuba, Napoleon in France and on and on. After he signed the peace with England he mounted his horse in New York and with a single aid rode to the temporary meeting place of the Continental Congress in Virginia. He walked in unannounced, placed his commission on the table, his sword, and without a word, turn and left for home in Mt. Vernon. For this alone I idolize him, and there is much more. I could go on but I fear I would put you to sleep. If I forget by Tuesday – Happy Birthday!

Rayn: I’m glad to see that you have such passion for sharing your research about someone you admire, Larry! Very commendable!

In the same spirit of sharing, I’d like to reveal to you the reasons why, for many, many years now, I have been unable to view George Washington in a positive light, even though he is seen as a war hero and a “Founding Father” by so many in America.

George Washington was a life-long slave-master, a white supremacist, a member of the mystery cult of Freemasonry, and oversaw the massacre and destruction of many towns and villages full of Native American individuals, while also promoting genocide in the process! Of course, many of these characteristics describe the rest of so-called “Founders.” In reality, these men hijacked the sentiments behind a budding, legitimate, organic grass-roots revolution, and transformed it into an oppressive, hive-minded hierarchy, meant to elevate the ultra-rich, land-owning slave-masters, at the expense of all women, all poor individuals, African captives, and Native Americans! Aside from this, I also idolize no human being, as I have witnessed that we are all born equal in Spirit. I prefer to be inspired by my peers, instead! And, overall, George Washington simply doesn’t inspire me with his words or actions towards other human beings.

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http://www.dickshovel.com/lsa3.html
From article: “In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, ‘lay waste all the settlements around…that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed.’ In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indigenous people, Washington also instructed his general not ‘listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected.’ (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.) (More here, as well: http://www.voltairenet.org/article30359.html )

In 1783, Washington’s anti-native sentiments were apparent in his comparisons of North American Indigenous individuals with wolves: ‘Both being beast of prey, tho’ they differ in shape,’ he said. George Washington’s policies of extermination were realized in his troops behaviors following a defeat. Troops would skin the bodies of Iroquois ‘from the hips downward to make boot tops or leggings.’ Indians who survived the attacks later re-named the nation’s first president as ‘Town Destroyer.’ Approximately 28 of 30 Seneca towns had been destroyed within a five year period. “
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And considering the fact that George Washington specifically targeted the Iroquois for extermination (among other tribes), it is ironic to note that the Iroquois League are the TRUE FOUNDERS of America’s “Constitution.” With no surprise, this is almost completely ignored by historical revisionists:

America’s True Founding Fathers:
http://acidrayn.com/2011/02/16/americas-true-founding-fathers/

Of course, the Iroquois Constitution acknowledged the equal rights of the sexes, and did not allow room for slavery, unlike America’s INFERIOR version of the same idea!

Larry Fox: Rayn, First, the slavery issue: You say Washington was a life-long slave master. He was. So was every successful business man in the south at the time, or at very least profited from slavery. That doesn’t make it right. That’s one of the reasons we had a civil war in which more White-Americans died than all of our other wars combined. Some day, in perhaps 100 years or so, when birth control will be as easy as buying an over-the-counter drug for $1.99 and in various doses that will protect you from pregnancy for a day, a week, or a year, people will look back at our Age and wonder what kind of savages we were to abort fetuses by the millions. I am not seeking to condone slavery, but I am suggesting that different things in different ages should be viewed differently. What is a better question to ask about Washington is – what kind of slave-holder was he?

Washington complained often to his business associates that he had too many slaves. He could have retired his entire debt if he could sell the ones he did not need. He couldn’t and he wouldn’t. He couldn’t because half of his slaves were not his to sell. His wife inherited about half of them from the estate of her late husband (Washington was her second husband), And she inherited others from her family. He wouldn’t sell those that were legally his because that would mean breaking up families since the two groups had inter-mingled. He hated the idea of breaking up families and refused to do it. When he died he had it in his will to free all the slaves and when Martha passed, even her slaves would be freed. More than that, he left in his will enough money, with instructions, that all the slaves now free, would be provided for. The young ones educated in reading, writing, and a working skill. The older and infirm would be provided for, for the rest of their lives. Some were taken care of from the money Washington left for as much as 30 years. His entire Will can be found online.

Insofar as your comments regarding our Founding Fathers is concerned the record is so vast that these were giants among men. Never in the history of humankind, except perhaps for a while in Ancient Greece (400-100BC), were so many great men in one place, at one time, serving one cause. Because the record is so vast I am going to assume that anyone who thinks the opposite is someone who has some emotional ax to grind and will not be persuaded no matter what I say, or point out in the record. Even several Soviet leaders said admiring things about them. Castro even quotes them (Jefferson). But not you. You have better information than the rest of the world. Thomas Paine once said, “arguing with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.” And while I have no reason to think that is true of you in general, I do think, from what you have said, that you are absolutely not open to argument on this subject.

It took you lots of time to quote verbatim from the Lakota Student Alliance who operate out of a P.O. Box in Kyle S.D. What kind of source is this? Who are these people? The Sullivan-Clinton offensive against the Indians is not exactly how they and you betray it. But, I am not going to debate it with you because I know it is hopeless.

By the way, I once belonged to that “mystery cult”, as you call them, of Freemasonry. Nearly half our presidents were members. They were a bunch of middle-aged men who drank coffee, discussed politics, while the wives organized pot-luck diners. It was so boring I had to take leave of them before I fell into a coma. BUT – I am sure you have some source indicating all the dark, terrible things they have done.

I am sorry that I won’t respond to your other comments regarding the Indians and Washington. I hope you can see that I have responded to you off the top of my head, and did not take many hours or days to set forth an answer, indicating that I do indeed have an answer for your comments on Washington, Sullivan and the Indians (you forgot Clinton who co-commanded the army you refer to). I have no hope that I would be speaking to an open mind on that subject. My evidence for that is the source for you opinions which you have not only cited but quoted in length. I find no names, nothing, just outlandish claims. We all know that the worst and most misleading claims are those that contain in them an element of truth. The Lakota Alliance and some of the links associated with them are really not worthy of serious debate. I know you can say the same, if you are so disposed, about any source with which you do not agree. So have at it. I am not certain you can depend on another response from me, because I don’t see the point in trying to debate with the Lakota Student Alliance or it’s adherents.

Rayn: Hmmm… Wow! Your response is, BY FAR, the most well-crafted effort to pre-emptively, unjustifiably and ungracefully avoid a true debate ON THE FACTS that I’ve REALLY EVER SEEN! Honestly! It takes the cake!

As it stands, you JUST began corresponding with me, you are a friend of a friend, and I’ve never met you in person. And, so, here we were discussing GEORGE WASHINGTON (remember?), yet, somehow, you managed to find your way into a line of reasoning that grants you free-range to directly attack MY character, even while you are ADMITTEDLY making PURE ASSUMPTIONS about me!? Baseless (ASS)UMPTIONS, I might add! ??????????? I don’t get it. Just how does that work, exactly? I mean, REALLY? HOW!?

Either way, your AD-HOMINEM attacks DO NOT tarnish my character, whatsoever! They are purely speculative, presumptuous STRAW-MEN, designed BY YOU to be EASILY KNOCKED DOWN (unlike my REAL POINTS)… Your willingness to engage in personal attacks actually tarnishes YOUR character, as it reveals your inability to maintain civility in a correspondence where civility towards each other is DUE! It’s surprising to me that you chose this route, because your first two paragraphs AT LEAST maintained common decency (although you did fall into many logical fallacy traps). Meanwhile, THREE of your four last paragraphs you wrote are almost purely TOXIC!

Rest assured, I will address ALL OF WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, regardless of your repeated suggestion that this debate shouldn’t continue, simply because you intend not to reply due to your completely false allegation that I don’t have an open mind! Honestly, your SINGULAR lack of interest (which apparently only manifested itself AFTER your ill-written response, of course… smh) in no way effects the interest of the 300+ individuals on my page who have access to this posting, and will actually read and respect my words, my thoughts, my feelings, and my character!

So, let’s just start with YOUR THEATRICS surrounding the so-called “Lakota” quotes I cited, shall we!

You claimed the following:

“It took you lots of time to quote verbatim from the Lakota Student Alliance who operate out of a P.O. Box in Kyle S.D. What kind of source is this? Who are these people? The Sullivan-Clinton offensive against the Indians is not exactly how they and you betray it. But, I am not going to debate it with you because I know it is hopeless […] I have no hope that I would be speaking to an open mind on that subject. My evidence for that is the source for you opinions which you have not only cited but quoted in length. I find no names, nothing, just outlandish claims. We all know that the worst and most misleading claims are those that contain in them an element of truth. The Lakota Alliance and some of the links associated with them are really not worthy of serious debate […] I am not certain you can depend on another response from me, because I don’t see the point in trying to debate with the Lakota Student Alliance or it’s adherents.”

Here is the WHOLE FIRST LETTER that YOU ARE PRETENDING DOESN’T EXIST (aka actively ignoring), published by the University of Virginia! This is the correspondence wherein Washington commands the US Army to “lay waste” to Native American villages and crops, and not “to listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected.” It was written by both George Washington and James Madison, to General John Sullivan in Head Quarters, Middle Brook, May 31, 1779:
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi15.xml&images=images%2Fmodeng&data=%2Ftexts%2Fenglish%2Fmodeng%2Fparsed&tag=public&part=165&division=div1

And, here is the WHOLE SECOND LETTER you are pretending doesn’t exist. This is the correspondence wherein Washington calls Native Americans “savages,” and compares them with “wolves.” It was written by Washington to James Duane in Rocky Hill, September 7, 1783:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=359

(And, in case that you don’t like my source, here is the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT: http://www.myloc.gov/Exhibitions/creatingtheus/DeclarationofIndependence/FoundedonaSetofBeliefs/ExhibitObjects/WashingtonUrgesPeacefulPlan.aspx. I only offer this up because, in your response, you boldy refused to fact-check an UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH simply because you didn’t like the source!)

And, here’s a NEW LINK, just for GOOD MEASURE, to Gen. John Sullivan’s Journals, testifying of his genocidal orders before Congress. I cite this so that you can see things from his point of view UNDER WASHINGTON’S COMMAND:
http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=334

Note that Sullivan admits to wiping out ENTIRE VILLAGES for Washington AND AMERICA, and destroying crops, and orchards, as well! That’s genocide! GENOCIDE! JUST LIKE I STATED ORIGINALLY!

Personally, I have no problem citing quotes from Washington provided by members of the Lakotah (AKA Sioux, to some), and I am appalled at the notion that would cast aspersions on the VERY SAME TRIBE that suffered a MASSACRE at WOUNDED KNEE …under US ARMY COMMAND! They are NOT as EASILY DISMISSED as YOU CLAIM! You have NO FACTS to speak of that would AUTHORIZE such a DISMISSAL! You are simply attempting to POISON THE WELL, but you’re only FOOLING YOURSELF out of DOING REAL RESEARCH! Besides, as I have just established, ALL OF THE LAKOTA facts CHECK OUT!!!!!!

By the way, I’m LITERALLY laughing out loud at your accusation that I have made “outlandish claims,” and that there are “no names, nothing”? Are you having difficulty with your eyes, or are you experiencing some sort of SELECTIVE VISION?

Here is EXACTLY what I wrote:

http://www.dickshovel.com/lsa3.html
From article: ‘In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, ‘lay waste all the settlements around…that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed.’ In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indigenous people, Washington also instructed his general not ‘listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected.’ (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.) (More here, as well: http://www.voltairenet.org/article30359.html )”

Do you see the CITATION AT THE END? The book is called “American Holocaust,” by David Stannard, a Professor of American Studies. There is also another link to the Voltaire Network quoting the same part of the book!!!!!

Here is the book, “American Holocaust”:
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/he/subject/History/AmericanHistory/Chronological/PreColonialAmerica/?view=usa&ci=9780195085570

It is actually being used in NUMBER of 300-level college courses here in America! Go look on Google!

I REALLY find it interesting that, although I originally backed the Washington quote up with THREE SOURCES (Lakota, American Holocaust book, and Voltaire Net), that YOU BLATANTLY CHERRY-PICKED JUST THE ONE you felt was WEAKEST, and honed in on IT at the EXCLUSION OF TWO OTHER SOURCES! This is a VERY WEAK mode of debate, as it shows either a BIAS on your part, or LACK OF REAL REASON!

By the way, here is more work on the same topic of Washington’s GENOCIDE EFFORTS:
George Washington’s War on Native America
http://ehr.oxfordjournals.org/content/CXXII/495/261.extract

Now, let us go back to the beginning of your response and address Washington’s slave-mastering ways.

You stated the following:

“You say Washington was a life-long slave master. He was.”

I say it, YOU say it, HISTORY says it…

You claimed the following:

“So was every successful business man in the south at the time, or at very least profited from slavery. That doesn’t make it right. That’s one of the reasons we had a civil war”

Then, every one of those businessmen did so based on a BANDWAGON LOGICAL FALLACY, which, even you admit (and reason dictates), does not make it automatically right (although, you don’t say it’s wrong, either, interestingly). So, why mention the bandwagon, then? Perhaps, you were going to point out how much guts it took Washington to go with the flow, like a lemming off a cliff?

And, why mention the Civil War? It really only further proves MY point of JUST HOW WRONG the so-called Founding Fathers were when they rejected the non-slavery and equal rights for women that the Iroquois League and Thomas Paine called for! And, these sentiments were shared by the majority of the population (women, Native Americans, African captives, all of which OUTNUMBERED the minority of land-owning, slave-holding white men) long before America, and long before the Constitution!

You claimed the following:

“I am not seeking to condone slavery, but I am suggesting that different things in different ages should be viewed differently.”

Condoning? Not exactly. However, your mention of a bandwagon logical Fallacy in reference to slavery WOULD indicate that YOU ARE attempting to JUSTIFY slavery among the Founding Fathers, even with your “doesn’t make it right” disclaimer! Again, I ask, why mention it? There is no real justification for slavery, no matter what the age, or the difference between, nor is there reason to DOWNPLAY ANY SLAVE-MASTER’S status as WRONG simply because the practice was PREVALENT during his lifetime, or because he arranges for his slaves to be freed ONLY AFTER both HIM and HIS WIFE have passed. If anything, we should be celebrating the fact that we can look back on the slave-mastering ways of our so-called Founding Fathers with scorn! It was, in fact, MY type of sentiment, not your apologetic bandwagon mentality, that got slavery abolished in the first place! Believe that! And, rest assured that MY sort of sentiment towards human bondage should remain alive forever, while YOUR type of sentiment ! The reason why I even showed you the article about the America’s TRUE Founders was to illustrate that they were from the SAME EXACT AGE as our Founders, held superior wisdom, and yet, were rejected for lesser concepts that allowed for oppression, exploitation, misery and profit among an ultra-minority!

Another example of this is Haiti’s attempts for form the first nation of Free-Men in 1791 (the same year our Constitution was established). “Land of the Free” America helped the French to QUELL this superior Haitian idea (borrowed from the French Revolution, and made better) to their own, as it was a threat to the slave-owning minority in America:
http://cyberspacei.com/jesusi/authors/chomsky/year/y501_008.htm

Why not compare the ideas that were being layed out IN THE SAME AGE, and start asking the question: out of all of the vast types of men and women involved in the America’s Revolution against Britain, what KIND of individuals became Founders of America? And, of course, the answer will be a small, minority of ultra-rich slave-owning white men, who wrote out our Founding documents to serve their own special interests over that of the vast majority of the population!

‎You claimed the following:

“Washington complained often to his business associates that he had too many slaves. He could have retired his entire debt if he could sell the ones he did not need. He couldn’t and he wouldn’t. He couldn’t because half of his slaves were not his to sell. His wife inherited about half of them… He wouldn’t sell those that were legally his because that would mean breaking up families since the two groups had inter-mingled. He hated the idea of breaking up families and refused to do it.”

Wow! How DISINGENOUS of you! Let’s take a step back here, and look at the REAL PICTURE… Washington had too many slaves because he KEPT BUYING MORE!!! He only inherited ten slaves, and his wife, 20, yet, combined, their sum total of slaves upon Martha’s death was over 300! Do the math! That’s at least 270 new slaves, or almost a 1000% increase! It’s laughable to give any merit to his “complaint,” when he was doing his share to hold 316 HUMAN BEINGS IN BONDAGE! 316 MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN! I guess it’s easy for you, as a WHITE MALE, to BE PURELY APATHETIC and NO SHOW NO COMPASSION towards these victims of the INJUSTICE of WHITE MALE SUPREMACY!

Besides, if you check historical records, Washington required that his slaves get his personal approval before marrying any slave from another plantation, so he was completely in control of the intermingling situation, anyway! To say that Washington didn’t want to break up families is AN EXCUSE, created by his OWN HAND! He could have simply freed his own slaves, allowing them the opportunity to choose for themselves whether or not to separate from their families. And, yet Washington did not free even one slave in his lifetime. Meanwhile, NOT EVERY single slave Washington owned “intermingled” with his wife’s slaves! So, then why did Washington not at least free at least those slaves that hadn’t “intermingled”?

You claimed the following:

“He died he had it in his will to free all the slaves and when Martha passed, even her slaves would be freed. More than that, he left in his will enough money, with instructions, that all the slaves now free, would be provided for..”

All of this information, I knew even before I wrote my response, and I really wasn’t greatly impressed. Also, I read that George Washington’s slaves weren’t freed until AFTER Martha died, along with hers, together. And, I believe that this is more accurate then your suggestion that George’s slaves were freed upon his death. As a matter of fact, if George freed them any earlier than after Martha’s death, it puts even more holes in the flimsy “not breaking up families” excuse you have postulated.

In reality, I see his actions as a last ditch effort at “seeking redemption” using the safest, most weakest, most unrevolutionary means that his lily-white heart could muster. This illustrates the fact that Washington himself not only felt that he was wrong for holding slaves, but that he feared JUDGEMENT – from his Southern peers, and from his Maker! According to history, Washington personally sensed his wrongness about slavery, and began to worry that the Constitution applied to all men, not just white me. Yet, he still maintained the VENEER of full belief in slavery UP UNTIL THE DEATH OF HIM and HIS WIFE, in order to maintain his wealth, and uphold his comfy “reputation” while alive, and escape the public disgracing that his ultra-rich peers would inevitably subject him to. Aside from this, Washington’s long-overdue release of his slaves disproves a previous point you made, because it shows that individuals FROM the era of SLAVERY WERE able to see that they WERE WRONG, without having to look through the lenses of a cozy, future “different age.”

‎You claimed the following:

“Insofar as your comments regarding our Founding Fathers is concerned the record is so vast that these were giants among men. Never in the history of humankind, except perhaps for a while in Ancient Greece (400-100BC), were so many great m…en in one place, at one time, serving one cause. Because the record is so vast I am going to assume that anyone who thinks the opposite is someone who has some emotional ax to grind and will not be persuaded no matter what I say, or point out in the record.”

Here is the beginning of your argument’s spiral into PURE RIDICULOUSNESS! Your FALLACIOUS CIRCULAR REASONING is in DOUBLE-EFFECT! For one, you are committing a “No True Scotsman” Fallacy by asserting that any American who doesn’t recognize the so-called Founders as “giants among men” and “great men” has “some emotional axe to grind and will not be persuaded no matter what” you say, or point out in the record. This is CLEARLY unestablished, and IS CLEARLY meant to create AN EXCUSE for YOUR LACK OF FACT!

Secondly, you are fallaciously BEGGING THE QUESTION! Where are the records you speak of? I’m VERY interested to know! Unlike you, I DON’T ASSUME! And, I especially DON’T ASSUME TO BE RIGHT! As far as I’ve witnessed in my life, individuals that DON’T WANT TO DISCUSS THEIR BELIEFS, especially through the use of some dismissive, derogatory “blame it on another’s inability to get it” excuse, are typically close-minded, and FEAR HAVING THEIR MINDS CHANGED by the TRUTH!

You claimed the following:

“Even several Soviet leaders said admiring things about them. Castro even quotes them (Jefferson). But not you.”

So, now, you’re implying that I’m worse than a Communist? Ha ha! I really hope you’re not! Either way, your claims about me are patently false! Here’s two articles that quote the Founders. I found them in one second after typing the word “Founder” into my website’s search box:

Constitutional Republic Versus Democracy – Inalienable Rights Versus Mob Rule
http://acidrayn.com/2010/11/02/republic-versus-democracy-inalienable-rights-versus-mob-rule/

International Bankster Cartel Uses Fractional Reserve Pyramid Scheme to Control All of America’s Economy by Stealth:
http://acidrayn.com/2010/02/01/international-bankster-cartel-uses-fractional-reserve-pyramid-scheme-to-control-all-of-americas-economy-by-stealth/

This should tell you to DO YOUR RESEARCH before you ever try to “quantify” or “label” me… If you’ll do your fact-checking, you’ll find that I AM an INDIVIDUAL, and cannot be placed into even a single one of your PRE-FABRICATED BOXES! I WILL ALWAYS GET OUT!

You claimed the following:

‎”Thomas Paine once said, ‘arguing with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.’ And while I have no reason to think that is true of you in general, I do think, from what you have said, that you are absolutely not open to argument on this subject.”

Actually, the full quote is from, “The Crisis,” and goes as following:

“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”

Either way, you won’t be providing even ONE SHRED of EVIDENCE that I have “renounced reason,” and hold “HUMANITY in CONTEMP.” I GUARANTEE THIS!!! It is my LOVE for ALL of HUMANITY (not just the rich, white males) that PROMPTS me to SPEAK OUT AGAINST INJUSTICE as I see it! Unlike you, I have no reason to be an APOLOGIST for the slave-mastering ways of the Founders!

Here is something else Thomas Paine in his writing, “The Age of Reason”:

“It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what one does not believe. It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.”

When I speak out against George Washington’s slave-mastering ways against Africans and genocidal ways against Native Americans, I am being FAITHFUL to MY BELIEFS about the RIGHTS and EQUALITY that ALL HUMANITY IS BORN WITH! I cannot just sit by and let there be a discussion of George Washington in a CHERRY-PICKING positive light, as a HERO worthy of IDOLIZATION, while blithely overlooking the fact that, all of his life, from his home, he operated a “plantation” stocked with “human cattle” that he “lawfully owned” for FORCED LABOR against their WILL! We are talking about a FUNDAMENTAL PART of Washington’s life! Are you honestly postulating that I have NO REASON or RIGHT to bring up the UGLY TRUTH about the slave-mastering ways of George Washington, or the other Founders, because many did the same thing during that era??? Like as if POPULAR PRACTICE cancels out the NEED for FACTORING in “Slave-Master” as a NEGATIVE CHARACTER TRAIT in a PERSON?

Larry Fox: Rayn, I really don’t have the strength for you, not short of answers, just the strength. I have met you previously in my life, hundreds of times, each time you had a different name, but it was you. I would urge the 300 friends you have on FB to take a look at all the sites you point to, like The Lakota Student Alliance, Voltairenet, and etc. They, like you, are outrageously anti-America, hysterical, and irrational. The book you referenced American Holocaust was written by a man whose entire body of work has been challenged by everyone except -Ward Churchill- the infamous fraud that made headlines a few years ago. Lastly, the 300 friends you have on FB. Not one has written in your defense, although they might, some day.  However, I have received communications from others who confirm to me that I am  wasting my time, as they have, talking to you. Bye, bye, and good luck.

Rayn: Larry, I’m really not worried about your strength level, or your many attempts to box and label me. I quoted from GEORGE WASHINGTON HIMSELF, not the LAKOTA TRIBE. To prove that point, I provided the DIRECT LINKS TO WASHINGTON’S WORDS, MINUS ANY REFERENCE TO LAKOTAS.

Here is what I wrote today, as a response to you:

Here is the WHOLE FIRST LETTER that YOU ARE PRETENDING DOESN’T EXIST (aka actively ignoring), published by the University of Virginia! This is the correspondence wherein Washington commands the US Army to “lay waste” to Native American villages and crops, and not “to listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected.” It was written by both George Washington and James Madison, to General John Sullivan in Head Quarters, Middle Brook, May 31, 1779:
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi15.xml&images=images%2Fmodeng&data=%2Ftexts%2Fenglish%2Fmodeng%2Fparsed&tag=public&part=165&division=div1

And, here is the WHOLE SECOND LETTER you are pretending doesn’t exist. This is the correspondence wherein Washington calls Native Americans “savages,” and compares them with “wolves.” It was written by Washington to James Duane in Rocky Hill, September 7, 1783:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=359

(And, in case that you don’t like my source, here is the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT: http://www.myloc.gov/Exhibitions/creatingtheus/DeclarationofIndependence/FoundedonaSetofBeliefs/ExhibitObjects/WashingtonUrgesPeacefulPlan.aspxI only offer this up because, in your response, you boldy refused to fact-check an UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH simply because you didn’t like the source!)

And, here’s a NEW LINK, just for GOOD MEASURE, to Gen. John Sullivan’s Journals, testifying of his genocidal orders before Congress. I cite this so that you can see things from his point of view UNDER WASHINGTON’S COMMAND:
http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=334

Note that Sullivan admits to wiping out ENTIRE VILLAGES for Washington AND AMERICA, and destroying crops, and orchards, as well! That’s genocide! GENOCIDE! JUST LIKE I STATED ORIGINALLY!

Now, show me ANY MENTION OF THE LAKOTA TRIBE in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like I said before, YOU ARE ONLY FOOLING YOURSELF OUT OF RESEARCHING THE TOPIC OF YOUR FAVORITE HERO. You claimed to KNOW ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT HIM, YET YOU AREN’T READY TO KNOW THIS!!!!

You claim:

“Not one has written in your defense, although they might, some day.”

WTF? I’d say that’s a little presumptuous! Your response is only ONE DAY OLD, on a post that is ALMOST A WEEK OLD! Besides, if you knew me, then you’d know that I have NEVER needed anyone to write in my defense. More than half a dozen friends and family have asked me to write on THEIR walls to defend them. Aside from this, I don’t know how well you know Facebook, but individuals don’t usually involve themselves in the WALL-TO-WALL correspondences of others… especially those ones that begin as FRIENDLY PERSONAL GREETINGS, with BIRTHDAY MENTIONS!

You wrote:

“However, I have received communications from others who confirm to me that I am  wasting my time, as they have, talking to you. Bye, bye, and good luck.”

We have no mutual “friends,” other than Chris C., who incidentally asks me often to visit his page, and debate with his friends about politics and religion on his wall, so that he can witness and “record” it. He is the one that suggested you befriend me. Remember? You admitted so in a letter you sent me. Plus, he told me to add you because you were his friend, and were “smart.”

On the other hand, upon looking at your page to see if we had another connection, I noticed that you recently added Madeline F. If so, then I laugh at the notion that she would say such a thing. If she did, then she’d have to be a pretty SHITTY liar (and you’d have to be pretty gullible), because she has evidence right on her Facebook wall to the contrary:

http://acidrayn.com/2011/02/08/pseudo-scientific-anti-cannabis-propaganda-or-fact/

Read the very last two posting by her and tell me if they sound like the words of someone who has been “wasting [her] time talking to [me].” All this tells me is that either she has lied to me, she has lied to you, or you’re the liar. Honestly, I don’t know either of you too well, so I cannot say for certain which one of you is the CULPRIT here… Either way, it is a GIANT FACEBOOK FAIL for BOTH OF YOU!

Genaire: I have both Native American and African American roots and can honestly say that I don’t think I would want to be any one’s slave, no matter the date on the calendar. Far as Rayn’s friends not coming to her aid, Rayn had never needed help in any debate 🙂

 

Rayn: LOL, Genaire! True dat!

For the record, I don’t NEED help! Of course, I welcome your comment, and appreciate it, but the reason that Larry even mentioned others writing on my page is due to his erroneous belief in the validity of the Bandwagon Fallacy. In other words, for the same reason that he justifies and downplays slaver and genocide based on an appeal to popular opinion, he also sincerely believes that I require an ARMY of FOLLOWERS in order to make a VALID POINT about the WICKEDNESS of HUMAN BONDAGE and MURDER! However, it was Thomas Paine who said:

“AN ARMY OF PRINCIPLES CAN PENETRATE WHERE AN ARMY OF SOLDIERS CANNOT!”

Claudia C.: Hey Larry, Rayn does a very good job at taking care of herself! On the other hand – if you are attacking her, what does that say about you?

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