Clarifying a Meme About the GOP Sabotaging Presidential Candidate, Dr. Ron Paul, in 2012

The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall, after I posted a meme being shared by an acquainted from here

Rayn:

"Yeah, if somebody could leak GOP emails from 2012 to show that they are also corrupt enough to rig elections... That'd be great"

“Yeah, if somebody could leak GOP
emails from 2012 to show that they
are also corrupt enough to rig elections…
That’d be great”

Daniel Sv.: That’s a bit of a mis characterization. If there were any emails leaked, you would probably see that the RNC establishment was going out of their way to sabotage Trump. They desperately wanted some establishment candidate, even Ted Cruz (who is part of the establishment, though heavily disliked for his arrogant and brusque style). Remember how they attempted to cancel the Colorado primary and award the delegates to Cruz? The reason why Trump won is that the establishment was fundamentally bankrupt. People were tired of the establishment candidates pandering to topics that had nothing to do with them (abortion, endless wars, fundamentalist Christianity, etc) while signaling tepid support for maintaining the middle class, then when getting elected to chuck those by the wayside and pocket money from Goldman Sachs while continuing on unnecessary wars. People see that the establishment is scared of an outsider candidate like Trump and it’s making them mad with glee.

Rayn: Hmm… I’m not sure if you realize, but this meme actually refers to the RNC rigging of their own primary elections through the systematic disenfranchisement of presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul in (both 2008 and) 2012.

Muslims 4 Liberty!

The following correspondence originally took place upon my Facebook wall, after I posted a photo being shared by the page, “Antiwar.com“…

Rayn:

"I'm already against the next war #WhyIamAntiWar (Musllims 4 Liberty"

“I’m already against the next war #WhyIamAntiwar (Muslims 4 Liberty”

David L.: Are these guys real? If they are I respect them

RaynM4L (Muslims for Liberty). 🙂

Discussing Democratic Versus Republican Policies Regarding Minorities

The following correspondence originally took place upon the Facebook wall of family…

Deacon Desmond C. Warren

GenaireDeacon Desmond C. Warren: Why Minorities Support The Democrats?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/deacon-desmond-c-warren/why-minorities-support-the-democrats/960960070608794

Kai-ama H.: This a crock of crap. Respectfully speaking.

Genaire: What’s your take on it kai? I personally haven’t seen the black community benefit from any of the policies implemented by the democratic party.

The social welfare programs really don’t benefit anyone and lead to dependence.

It was in fact the republican party that fought for the abolition of slavery.

Margaret Sanger did in fact make the statements made in the article along with many other racist statements.

Kai-ama H.Problem is the Republican Party has worse policies.

Today’s Republican Party is not the party that supported the abolition. Os slavery. There has been a complete 180.

It was president FDR who signed the New Deal into law shortly after the Great Depression that spawned what is essentially the New Democratic Party and their ideals.

The acceptance of African American Rights was considered liberal or progressive during the civil rights movement.

Conservativism goes against anything considered progressive. It hold on to the old guard of America.

Conservatism glorifies rich, white, male ideals, profits over people and a view of Christianity that upholds all if Gods laws and little of Christ’s mercy.

No party is perfect. But most of what I value are currently represented, at least in theory, by the Democratic Party.

However currently supporting Bernie Sanders not Clinton. To each his own. #nojudgement. I’m way too liberal for that. 🙂

Genaire: My views have always been conservative. I personally consider myself more of a libertarian than a republican since most republicans are rino’s.

Liberalism only serves to breed dependency. Dependency is fine but it shouldn’t be taken forcibly out of people’s taxes. Charitable organization should be responsible for charity not forced taxation.

I haven’t had the privilege of having children but when I do I know it will be my labour, my business that supports my family with zero aide from the government. It is my responsibility not the responsibility of the government to care for my family.

Genaire: The whole abortion issues leaves the door open for people to be carefree and irresponsible knowing big daddy government will make things all better. One needs to be held accountable for their actions which will never happen when you tax the populace liberally.

Kai-ama H.: If being held accountable for irresponsible decisions leaves American Citizens starving and on the street, then I gladly pay taxes to “provide for the general welfare” as stated in the preamble.

but outside of money and being over taxed, which I do not enjoy, I am liberal in my thoughts that everyone regardless of their race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs etc has the rights and freedoms that all Americans are afforded by citizenship.

If someone believes the gov’t has limited power that includes limited power over a women’s uterus.

And if anyone truly thinks welfare is fun, pays substantially, or allows women to just have babies they have no clue. Food stamps helps fellow Americans not starve. Most of which goes to children.

Kai-ama H.: We are speaking of the same America that we both love! Only different ideological views.

Kai-ama H.: PS when u file federal taxes from your business you receive or are eligible to receive aide from the gov’t in the form of tax credits.

Big businesses can get millions of tax credits equating to zero taxes paid and receive millions in gov’t kick backs. That is Infact welfare. Yet we hear more about a poor mother and her food stamps ruining the country.

Genaire: I don’t think people should be left starving on the street. I however I don’t think others should be responsible for others bad decisions. Private charitable organizations not forced taxation is the answer.

I don’t believe an entity is too big nor too small to fail (with exceptions made for the disabled, elderly and youth of course).

Of course have all the abortions one desires but be willing to pay for them out of your own hard earned dollar.

Kai-ama H.Points taken. Agree to disagree

Rayn

“The assumption that spending more of the taxpayers money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family, which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depression, began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to help.” – Thomas Sowell
(Artwork originally located here, upon the Facebook page, “Bastiat Institute“)

Does Refusal of Corrupt State Control of Gigantic, Nationwide, Compulsory-Based Systems of Retirement, Disability and Medical Insurance Automatically Indicate Lack of Desire for Free-Market Version of These Services?

The following debate originally took place upon the Facebook wall of my friend, Brooke N…

Brooke N.:

“So you want the government to ‘stop giving poor people free stuff’? Funny how you don’t care about the $70 billion a year we spend on subsidizing Wall St. Banks, the $38 billion in subsidies given to oil companies, the $2.1 trillion that Fortune 500 corporations are stashing abroad to avoid paying U.S. taxes, and the $153 billion a year we spend to subsidize McDonald’s and Walmart’s low-wage workers?”

Gene K.: And another thing….. some of the “Reddest” states receive the greatest amounts of welfare…… and HATE that people get “handouts” from the government…. I need somebody to explain that logic to me….

Brooke N.: Not logic, greed and blindness. I know Libertarian people who are on Disability and want to get rid of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. I don’t think there’s any to accuse this of being logic.

Gene K.: Yes, I know a lot of people of many persuasions that hate anything that smacks of socialized medicine. It is like they think that medical bills are paid by the Medical Bill Fairy and are not subsidized by all of the people using the medical care system.

Folks, there ain’t no free ride. Sorry. There. Just. Isn’t.

Brooke N.: But it’s possible to make life a little easier for 99% of the people instead of utterly effortless for the 1% 🙂

Rayn:

“We disapprove of State educatgion. Then, the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a State religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a State-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality.
It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the State to raise grain.” – Frederic Bastiat, The Law

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Meditating on American Contempt for Liberty

The following correspondence originally took place here, upon the Facebook page of Walter E. Williams

(replies from all third parties have been omitted for clarity)

Walter E. Williams:

Rayn

“People who denounce the free market and voluntary exchange, and are for control and coercion, believe they have more intelligence and superior wisdom to the masses. What’s more, they believe they’ve been ordained to forcibly impose that wisdom on the rest of us. Of course, they have what they consider good reasons for doing so, but every tyrant that has ever existed has had what he believed were good reasons for restricting the liberty of others.” – Walter E. Williams