Force-Frame Vaccination Discussion into False Dichotomy of “Pro” Versus “Anti,” OR Present UNIQUE THIRD Option?

The following debate originally took place upon the Facebook wall of an ex-acquaintance…

2013-05-11 - Force-Frame Vaccination Discussion into False Dichotomy of 'Pro' Versus 'Anti,' OR Present UNIQUE THIRD Option

Brian K.: The Anti-Vaccine Movement: A Terrible Track Record:
http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-anti-vaccine-movement-a-terrible-track-record/

“As it turns out, the anti-vaccinationists are remarkably consistent. Time and time again, they are shown to be wrong. I’m not sure how many times a group needs to be wrong before people stop seeing them as credible. Perhaps people need to be reminded of how many times this group has been wrong?”

Genaire: I can’t say for certain how wrong or right they are, I can say for certain that most medicine’s side effects are far worse then the illness they have been created to treat. I would think the same would apply to vaccinations. I would also ask myself why would I want to get vaccinated when my body’s own immune system can do the same thing in most cases without the side effects.

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State Regulation of Cannabis Via Medical Prescription, or Natural Right to Freely Use Non-Toxic Plant Without Permission?

The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall…

Fiona Apple's mugshot, after being arrested in Texas for possession of cannabis and hashish in July, 2012

Fiona Apple’s mugshot, after being arrested in Texas for possession of cannabis and hashish in July, 2012

Stan H.: The 10 Best Celebrity Mugshots – Fiona Apple:
http://www.examiner.com/list/the-10-best-celebrity-mugshots/fiona-apple

Rayn: Just remember: No Victim, No Crime!

Stan H.: Are you referring to yourself? lol.

Rayn: I’m referring to ALL of humanity, myself included! 🙂

Stan H.: I was implying the hashish angle particularly, lol!!

Rayn: I’m not really a fan of hashish, but to each his own! 🙂

Stan H.: or her own. I thought you were because of that “valentine heart” you had up earlier.

Rayn: That wasn’t hashish! It was CANNABIS! 🙂 <3

Rayn: Hashish isn’t the rawness! It’s derived. 🙂

Stan H.: they are all pretty much the same to me

Rayn: I’m sorry to hear that. I can assure you that they are not the same. Cannabis is natural, and in the exact concentration nature intended it. Hashish, on the other hand, is a man-made derivative of cannabis, wherein the more potent chemicals within the buds are extracted, while the leafy portion is left behind, resulting in a much more concentrated substance with which to ingest or smoke. Can you understand the difference, now?

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Stop Posting Regularly About the Oppression of Collectivism Because Someone Labels it As “Obnoxious,” or Continue to Exercise Free Speech, Regardless of How “Tasteless” it is Deemed?

The following debate originally took place on my Facebook wall, upon my post, “Stand Up and Act to Improve!“…

Rayn: Indeed! And, every time an individual shills for centralized government, the wall of oppression rises!

"Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, they send forth a tiny ripple of hope... These ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." - Robert F. Kennedy

“Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, they send forth a tiny ripple of hope… These ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.” – Robert F. Kennedy

Stephen K.: And those ripples often rebound as assassinations! 🙁

Adam G.: Okay, it’s kind of getting really obnoxious that you reduce all rhetoric about oppression to being about centralized government. That might be your position, but there are other viewpoints and you are totally discounting them.

Rayn: To reply to your comment, Stephen, I’ll quote Lauryn Hill: “Knowing my condition is the reason I must die!” 🙂

Adam, that sounds like a personal problem, if you ask me! I discounted nothing, and just so happen to not consent to being governed by the “representatives” of the collective! I choose to focus on and write about the oppression committed by centralized government in a great deal of my posts because it is very special interest of mine – as I continue to personally endure the tyranny of this system DAILY – so, you are incorrect in your statement that I “reduce *all* rhetoric about oppression to being about centralized government.” There are, indeed, other forms of oppression taking place in this world besides the kind I typically focus on, and yet, NOTHING I’ve written here, or even previously, discounts their existence, whatsoever! I’d love for you to prove otherwise!

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State-Run Programs for the Poor, or Individual Responsibility for Helping Those in Need?

The following debate originally took place on my Facebook wall, upon my post, “Paying Taxes Will NEVER Qualify as Giving to “Charity””

Rayn: Wake up to the illegitimacy of coercion!

"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint." - Penn Jillette

“It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered. If we’re compassionate, we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint.” – Penn Jillette

Brian K.: But for the people in need of being fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered it’s all the same. Self-righteous joy and moral credit (kind of defeats the purpose of altruism) is a luxury. I think their immediate needs are greater than leaving it to the chance of charity and some generous volunteers.

Rayn: Hmm… I have a quick question for you, Brian. Have you ever been one of the “people in need” that you refer to? Well, I have – and, I can say for certain that the various forms of assistance out there in this world are not “all the same,” as you claim. This is true no matter how dire the individual situation at hand. And, forcing an apathetic public to finance a corrupt, soulless institution (whether the “State,” or otherwise), purely in the HOPE and FAITH that a lack of direct concern for (and interest in) the ACTUAL welfare of others will miraculously translate into anything other than systemic ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND FRAUD… Those individuals are living in a PURE FANTASY LAND!

My experiences have long ago opened my eyes to the fact that those hired by the State to “aid” the needy not only loath the poor and destitute, but also actively seek to punish, demean, degrade, demoralize, and strip the dignity of those they are duty-bound to assist. State aid for the poor is nothing more than a rotten fraud, and a dismal failure – giving the apathetic an excuse not to help those in need (nor, to lift so much as a finger, or to get their own hands dirty, for that matter), and the sadly misinformed, yet good-intentioned, a reason not to act!

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Are Natural Rights Man-Made, or Are We Born With Them?

The following debate originally took place on my Facebook wall, upon my post, “Rights Are NOT Gifts from Government!“…

Rayn: Wake up to the amazing, liberating Truth that Self-Ownership is our BIRTHRIGHT! Yet, one cannot secure such a unique and sacred possession without first acknowledging every other Individual on Earth to hold their very own, as well! And, THIS is the ultimate PROOF of understanding!

"Rights are not gifts from government."

“Rights are not gifts from government.”

Brian K.: According to George Carlin, rights are imaginary. We made them up.

FTF Films – Imaginary Rights:

Rayn:  I’m not sure which “rights” Carlin is referring to, Brian, but you can rest assured that my Natural Right to live is NOT AT ALL imaginary, but a self-evident truth! I was born with it, just like you! Meanwhile, our natural right to Self-Ownership, which is hinged upon our liberty, along with the Non-Aggression Principle, is also self-evident and inborn! Aside from this, our natural right to the justice of a peaceful co-existence, via consensual Cooperation, is also very real and inborn, as we have lived by this Natural Law FROM OUR VERY CONCEPTION – with our lives fully depend upon its productive and reproducible results!

Here is an informative video on the topic, including a good understanding of other property rights that are derived from self-ownership, and a right to exist:

The Philosophy of Liberty:

I shared the picture above to remind others that paper documents, stone tablets and legally fictitious straw-men will NEVER be able to “grant” us what we are already born with. To believe in such dangerous superstitious nonsense is to convert our natural rights into nothing more than “privileges,” to be taken away at any time!

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