Taxation is Theft

The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall, after I posted artwork being shared by the page, “Campaign for Liberty“…

Rayn:

Morgan S.: beats the hell out of me.

Rayn: 🙂

Morgan: i dont know if it is all one word or what the thing is. ..it is something I have never heard of .

David L.: Taxation is theft?

Morgan S.: maybe? who really knows. right? I mean it could be a Latin word for a thing? but giving that it is shared from a campaign for liberty page. you are probably right but it is not a true statement because how would a nation exist with out taxes.? communism? with out a some form of governing body, you would have a lawless society that sadly most of our great grand parents and us would not be alive.they would have likely been killed by a bad person.

David L.: I agree that taxes are needed, its how the tax money is used afterward that is the conundrum.

Rayn: You’ve guessed correctly, David. And, the statement is absolutely true, Morgan. The existence of a “nation” doesn’t supersede the existence of the Individuals within it. Meanwhile, individuals cannot simply relegate rights which they don’t have, themselves, to others, no matter how much they imagine that such activity would somehow eliminate the lack of morality inherent to the unjust acts they seek to commit, by proxy – nor will it relinquish them of personal responsibility for the acts now being committed in their name. Since you and I have no right to take money from others without their consent, neither does the State! It wouldn’t matter if we tossed out the claim that it was for the “greater good,” or if we used some of the stolen money to buy our victim a service he also didn’t consent to, as we pocketed some for ourselves as payment for arranging said service. It would be a criminal act, regardless. It’s probably disappointing to hear this, if you’re a member of the Statist cult, but… yeah… true morality is universal, like that.

Rayn: To that, David, I quote William Pitt: “Necessity is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves.”

Rayn: In other words…

Cleopatra – “That is a Slave’s Answer!”:

Rayn: Sorry, Morgan, but we’re being run by the criminals right now. Plus, I don’t buy into the cult-religion of the Accuser against humanity known as the State. This is for you, including caption:

Dear Boot-Lickers: reality does not tend to agree with your highly cynical notion that humanity needs to be ruled over by morally-bankrupt criminal scum. And, those currently denying my natural right to live, to own myself, and to peacefully co-exist are simply those who wish to violate them, by way of robbery, slavery and/or murder – either directly, or through violent, coercive proxy (church, state, etc). This is typically done while espousing the usual brand of illogical superstition, replete with “original sin/presumed guilt/pre-crime/chaos” myth about the inherent “evil/cruelty/disorder” of humanity. Of course, I reject such cult-like nonsense, as it is absolutely illegitimate. Not only have I personally met more kind and caring souls than I can count, I also recognize every human being as a UNIQUE, SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUAL – to be judged ONLY by the merits of their OWN character! As far as I’m concerned, assigning humanity with labels fit for criminals is merely an excuse for the corrupt and polluted souls among us to collectively oppress and punish us all for crimes we haven’t even committed, in an effort to catch a boogie man that lives no further than the nearest MIRROR! Besides, biology, itself, does NOT support the “freedom is slavery” double-think mentality of such control-freaks, no matter how many clever excuses they come up with in order to justify their lust to harm and enslave others:

Forget Survival of the Fittest: It Is Kindness That Counts (Aug. 2009):
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/forget-survival-of-the-fittest/

Humans Evolved To Be Peaceful, Cooperative And Social Animals, Not Predators (Feb. 2006):
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/38011.php

The Compassionate Species (July 2012):
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/the_compassionate_species

Young Children Are Intrinsically Motivated to See Others Helped (August 2011):
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/9/967

We’re In This Together: A Pathbreaking Investigation into the Evolution of Cooperative Behavior (Nov. 2012):
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121119094629.htm

Humans Naturally Cooperative, Altruistic, Social (Sept. 2011):
http://phys.org/news/2011-09-humans-naturally-cooperative-altruistic-social.html

A Cooperative Species: Human Reciprocity and Its Evolution (Jan. 2011):
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9474.html

Instinctively, People Are Generous (Sept. 2012):
http://news.discovery.com/human/human-instinct-generous-120919.html

(archived copy of above link located here: http://web.archive.org/web/20121004113714/http://news.discovery.com/human/human-instinct-generous-120919.html)

Emory Brain Imaging Studies Reveal Biological Basis For Human Cooperation (July 2002):
(Brain intrinsically rewards reciprocal altruism over self-interest)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020718075131.htm
(*all it takes is free-will initiation of altruism by only one party in most cases!)

Thinking About Giving, Not Receiving, Motivates People to Help Others (Aug. 2012):
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/thinking-about-giving-not-receiving-motivates-people-to-help-others.html

The idea that human beings are inherently weak cattle and incapable of running their own lives without the use of coercion is just a MYTH propagated by rotten-souled tyrants who desire to manufacture public consent to their population control schemes. And, the more such stories are repeated as though fact, the more individuals believe it, and act accordingly, denying their own humanity under the notion that others are doing the same – the blind leading the blind, in a most pathetic display of conformism.

Voluntaryism: Because consent should apply to more than just sexual relations! 😉

(Artwork created using Photoshop in March of 2016)

Morgan S.: Rayn, sadly a greater portion of this great nation’s People do not have true morality, or any sense of there in. I do not pretend to have such knowledge of what the founding Fathers of this Nation said about Taxes and or Laws. I do however recall a statement made by Ron Paul that income tax is or should be illegal. I believe he also said that there is No such law on any books stating that an income tax and or a inheritance tax is legal or should to be forthwith. I am not a subscriber of any such “Statist cult” and I might add. I don’t have any clue what that is. I don’t know what Label can be placed on me and my beliefs.

Morgan S.: But know that if I had a say in the voting process when the 13th amendment was up for vote. I would have Been for the Passing of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Morgan S.: Rayn, i dont know what that even means. I dont understand that form of speaking. does it say svspician is the companion of mean sovls, and the bane of all society.? what is bane and what is svspicion ?

Rayn: For your purposes, Morgan, Statists are individuals who are so cowardly, afraid and untrusting of their fellow human beings that they label us all as potential criminals, and then, without so much as a style critical thought, willingly elect and pay actual criminals to control and enslave everyone, including themselves, “just in case” anyone outside of the tiny minority they *have* authorized dares become a criminal. The criminals they hire, in turn, realize just how mindless these Statists are, and begin to write up a never-ending series of “laws” that criminalize all facets of peaceful humanity, while simultaneously legalizing every single aspect of their own criminality. And, Statists decidedly call these morally-bankrupt, sociopathic criminal scum “public servants” while they rule over us all, because they typically suffer from a form of Stockholm Syndrome, wherein they enjoy their own servitude, and have no desire to escape it.

Rayn: Suspicion is a state of mistrust, Morgan, and a bane is a source of ruin.

Be sure to read my comment that I posted along with that Thomas Paine artwork I made. It will provide you with some much-helpful context.

Morgan S.: thank you for clarification.

Rayn: How’s this for “lawless”?

In “The Rights of Man,” Thomas Paine wrote the following:

“For upwards of two years from the commencement of the American War, and to a longer period in several of the American States, there were no established forms of government. The old governments had been abolished, and the country was too much occupied in defence to employ its attention in establishing new governments; yet during this interval order and harmony were preserved as inviolate as in any country in Europe. There is a natural aptness in man, and more so in society, because it embraces a greater variety of abilities and resource, to accommodate itself to whatever situation it is in. The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act: a general association takes place, and common interest produces common security.”

Morgan S.: Rayn, I read your comment that you posted along with the T Paine Artwork. and I honestly don’t mean to insult, or say anything bad. but I don’t even understand what I read. people are not inherently nice, kind, or programed from birth to want to be helpful. I have to disagree with it all. I think Humans are Naturally Brutal, selfish, egotistical, Needy, Greedy self centered, Murdering, thieving, ..every word to degenerate humankind could be put in here(…..) I see nothing nice in Most people I have come to know. ..I am always the one walked on and am told I am to nice. I am to kind, to giving. I because a walking mat because I am scared of conflict in my life anymore. I have seen mankind at their worst. not on video. but with my own eyes and until you have seen that and been there to experience that. you can keep that shiny happy people crap. because it aint true at all.

Rayn: LOL. I didn’t kick any “shiny happy people crap” on the commentary that went with my Thomas Paine quote artwork. And, since you want to take it there, I can assure you that I’ve seen mankind from the most real and gritty perspective possible – directly, and from an early age – NOT on video. In case you’re having a memory lapse, cousin, I was homeless with my family in NYC for almost four solid years straight, starting at age 12. I lived in four out of the five boroughs during this time, and moved around to at least eight different shelters. And, nothing – not one thing I dealt with from my fellow lowly residents compared to my treatment at the hands of the State. Also, I spent my entire high school career in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, and – as one of the only pale-faces in the entire school, I might add.

Sure, I could keep going, but I think I’ve more than made my point, and I’ll just conclude by saying that you, and more than 90% of the Statists I know wouldn’t last a week in either of these situations. Nope…

And, with all my experiences written here, as well as the ones I haven’t mentioned, I still don’t believe in the religion of Statism, nor the inherent evil of mankind doctrine that it, and most cults, rely on, as their necessary straw boogie man tool to rule over us all. As a matter of fact, these experiences are EXACTLY WHAT have caused me to fully embrace my individual sovereignty, and the non-aggression principle, and Voluntaryism that guides it. So, make all the claims you need to enslave yourself, but leave us peaceful individuals alone to enjoy our own self-determination in life. Rest assured, I’ll be just fine on my own, thank you very much!

Morgan S.: Rayn, I was meaning your links to humans being kind by nature and people being I had to go back and look reading all them was a nightmare. what an exhausting thing that was …anyway Humans Evolved To Be Peaceful,The Compassionate Species,Humans Naturally Cooperative, Altruistic, Social,A Cooperative Species: Human Reciprocity and Its Evolution ,Instinctively, People Are Generous,Thinking About Giving, Not Receiving, Motivates People to Help Others, these are all not true at all. People are the most -every word designed to negatively describe a species that is hell bent on destruction by nature .we destroy everything by natural instinct. evolution I think not. more like tired of the destruction and wanted something better. that’s not evolution that is the need to change your surroundings. evolution is growing another head ,arm, leg, to adapt to

Morgan S.: “these experiences are EXACTLY WHAT have caused me to fully embrace my individual sovereignty, and the non-aggression principle” you changed it. that is not evolution…but that is what I mean. the desire to get away from that destruction. so our thinking on this is not that far off. perhaps we have two different definitions of evolution

Rayn: Biology doesn’t agree with your cynical and condemning assessment of humanity. And, those links are trusted scientific sources, with studies that back them.

Also, I never mentioned “evolution” with regard to my personal experiences – not even once. Yoy seem to be confusing my comments here with the titles of the articles I cited on my Thomas Paine artwork. And, to be clear, the authors each discussed evolution in reference to human brain and hormone development versus other primates, etc, in adaptation to our more complex social environments. Also, evolution is actually about useful genetic mutations, phenotypical diversity, reproduction, and the natural selection responsible for slowly move a species down a path toward not only different, superficial outward appearances, but possibly, a whole new species, in time. In the animal kingdom, this would only be possible with enough successful positive mutations either mutually occurring in both genders, or the mutation being a dominant gene, and hence, only needing to take place in one gender. Rest assured that it does not involve “growing another head, arm, leg,” but rather, being BORN with something extra (or removed) based on spontaneous mutation, or dormant mutations in parent genes.

Speaking of adaptation, though, without consideration for interspeciate evolution, which I never claimed, in the first place – I still did absolutely adapt to the environments I lived in, while many within them were soon forced to adapt to me, even!

I didn’t change my H.S., tired of destruction, as your comment suggests. I simply graduated. I didn’t change my homelessness, tired of destruction. I was just a child, and it was out of my hands. My parents eventually found an affordable apartment. I didn’t change my fifteen years living in the NYC, tired of destruction. An unstable family member forced me out of the area. I didn’t even move from NJ to NC, tired of destruction. I moved because town ordinances against RV parking, and overpriced RV parks with waiting lists forced me out.