The following debate originally took place upon my Facebook wall…
Rayn: believes that “a nation of SHEEP shall be ruled by PIGS.”
Kenny C.: Haiti?
Kenny C.: or the PIGS that force the sheep to pay for the White-Devil haters?
Rayn: I’m sorry, Kenny, but I was talking about the country I live in.
But, what exactly are you referring to? I’m stumped.
Kenny C.: The Pigs are forcing the sheep to pay for the white-devil haters? its just a scam, people benefiting off a tragedy. an island does NOT need money they need supplies!
Sara: Who are the white-devil haters?
Kenny C.: oh come on… my thoughts and prayers go out to those victims and family’s of the victims of the Earthquake in Haiti.
HOWEVER, I feel that this “relief” effort is too familiar.
Hatian government=white devil haters.
and they are going to steal our money, and put it in their pockets!
and the victims and people that r suffering will continue to suffer. because hatian government is more corrupt then ours! and u know what happens when people see $$?
Kenny C.: we wanna send supplies, but bush says NO SUPPLIES SEND US CASH…Why? bush didn’t get enough cash from everything he did while he was president?
Kenny C.: It is people like Bush that are the reason why Hatians call us White Devil.
Katherine C.: I know you meant that in a political sense but for a second I imagined actual sheep being led by pigs, lol
Rayn: “White devil haters”? The Haitian government? And, the Haitians? I’ve never heard of such a thing before, Kenny.
These are some serious allegations. Where are you getting your information from?
The only recent “devil” talk I’ve heard in regards to Haiti is when psuedo-Reverend Pat “the Pig” Robertson accused the Haitian people of making a “pact with the devil” to rid themselves of the French. He claimed that, for this reason, “ever since, [the Haitian people] have been cursed by one thing after the other,” implying that the Haitian people deserved to suffer from this month’s devastating earthquake.
Kathy – I’m glad that you were able to form a strong mental picture. That is the fun and beauty of symbolism! LOL!
Chris C.: Break it down sistah!
Kenny C.:well the fact that they made a deal with the devil may be true anyway, most of them practice voodoo, and if u ever seen the skeleton key u can see how dangerous voodoo can be…*but that is ignorant because you can’t blame little children for voodoo, and those were part of the victims as well…as for them hating us…
THEY REALLY HATE US, we are the reason they are poor dying and starving over there. First, we replaced their native pigs with American pigs, we didn’t telll them that those pigs required very expensive antibiotics, so the pigs died, and they lost part of their food industry…but…
the destating blow was then Haiti’s market was flooded by our machine made agriculture, (because of the NAFTA), which provided them food at a much cheaper rate then the haitian farmers could provide them for. however, without the money from farming, they can not afford even the “cheap” american made food.
America did this on purpose to them, to knock the competition off the map. And maybe that is why our government is having mercy on them right now.
But yea, most of them are Anti-American, and they hate us because we are the reason they are poor (as poor as they are)
Kenny C.: u kno all u gotta do is google for the facts…there is alot more to the story than Americans deliberately destroying their economy… if u get a chance just google search why the people, especially Haitian government, hates us. and they def feel tat we owe them something.
Rayn: It is NOT a “fact” or “true” that the people of Haiti made a “deal with the devil”!!! Pat Robertson is a MISERABLE, HATEFUL, SMALL-MINDED TROLL!!! If anything, HE made a “PACT WITH THE DEVIL” to LEAD HIS FOLLOWERS ASTRAY!!!!
And, while there are no real figures showing how many Haitian people actually practice “voodoo,” only speculation instead, here are some REAL figures that are readily available for anyone who is interested:
Even according to Wiki, “the state religion [of Haiti] is ROMAN CATHOLICISM which 80-85% of the population professes. 10-15% of Haitians practice PROTESTANTISM.”
That’s right! Haiti has MORE PROFESSED CHRISTIANS than the USA!!!
As I asked you in my last post, where you’re getting your information from?
Rayn: Without any proof, I don’t believe FOR A MINUTE that the government or people of Haiti are the VIRULENTLY-RACIST “white devil haters” you make them out to be! It sounds like PROPAGANDA to me, meant ONLY TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM REAL TRUTH, and INFLAME RACIAL TENSIONS! The high school I went to in Brooklyn had a VERY HIGH population of CARIBBEAN PEOPLE, INCLUDING MANY HAITIANS. And, though I was the only “WHITE” student in the entire school, with a population of over 2,000, I felt ABSOLUTELY NO RACIAL HOSTILITY DIRECTED AT ME BY ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE AT ANY TIME IN MY FOUR-YEAR MATRICULATION!!!!!!!!! And, I don’t know about you, but NONE of my Haitian friends are RACISTS!!! When it comes down to it, MOST PEOPLE are NOT FOOLS, and they KNOW THAT THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “GOVERNMENT” and “PEOPLE.” I think that you are sadly misinformed about the people of Haiti.
Now, if you’d REALLY like to know why the people of Haiti HAVE A VERY VALID REASON to ABSOLUTELY HATE OUR AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE ACTIONS OF OUR MILITARY and CIA:
The Overthrow of Haiti’s Democratic Government: A Coup D’etat Made in the USA
The 2004 Haitian Coup: An Unresolved Injustice After Five Years
What a surprise! In 2004, our government once again MILITARILY SUBVERTED A SUPPOSED DEMOCRACY in a SOVEREIGN NATION!!!!
And, of course, then-President Aristide, who was thrown out, was merely a PUPPET of the CRIMINAL CABAL of SUPER-WEALTHY BANKSTERS, anyway! After an earlier 1990 coup against him, the U.S. military reinstalled Aristide as president in 1994, where he served the rest of his term as, leaving in 1996.
Afterwards, Aristide formed a new party, and ran to win the presidency AGAIN in 2000:
Keep that in mind when reading this:
Former Hell-Sent Dictator Aristide Secret Offshore Accounts and Other Crimes
According to the article, “corrupt Western business people, negligent or complicit bankers and offshore tax havens – all the enablers of corruption, make a lot of money by helping the world’s crooks. And provide the capital for those crooks to stay in power, and they tilt the playing field against the interests of firms and individuals who do business honestly.
The U.S. was involved in the Aristide case in two ways. The offshore system was used to collect kickbacks or divert payments from American companies that should have gone to the Haitian government. U.S. banks moved large amounts of money for shell companies set up in the U.S., Haiti and offshore.”
And, these two instances aren’t the only times our government and military have meddled in Haiti’s affairs:
The Tragedy of Haiti, “The First Free Nation of Free Men”
Apparently, our government sent “$750,000 in military aid as well as some troops to help quell” the Famous HAITIAN SLAVE REVOLT against the French that took place in 1791!!! It’s a good thing that it didn’t work out the way our government had planned!!
The Failure of the American Occupation of Haiti, 1915-1934:
U.S. Marines Deployed to Fight Rebels, Keeping Dictator in Power in 1959:
I have done much research into the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT’S MILITARY INVOLVEMENT in ALL PORTIONS of the FOREIGN WORLD, and the OVERALL PICTURE IS NOTHING LESS THAN CRIMINAL!!!!! I suggest that YOU GOOGLE THE FACTS, and you will begin to UNDERSTAND the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT’S LONG-STANDING TIES WITH THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-SCIENTIFIC COMPLEX, PROMOTION OF DICTATORSHIPS and CORRUPT RULERS IN FOREIGN NATIONS, OPPRESSION, KIDNAPPING, MURDER, GENOCIDE, SLAVE-LABOR, DESTRUCTION of ECONOMY and CULTURE, and OVERALL EUGENICIST POLICIES REGARDING MOST “THIRD WORLD NATIONS”!!!!
Kenny C.: thats what im talkin bout!!
thats why they bitter towards us, cuz for hundreds of years we have been fuckin with them, invading them, destroyiin them, etc…
Rayn: All of the references you make to the destruction of the Haitian economy through the food supply would not be possible if OUR GOVERNMENT had not INSTALLED AMERICAN-CORPORATION-FRIENDLY INTERESTS into the HIGH POSITIONS of the HAITIAN GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!And, the AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT BENEFIT from these SWEET-HEART DEALS BETWEEN THIRD-WORLD-NATION DICTATORS and INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS BASED IN AMERICA! But, make no mistake, this does not mean that WE THE PEOPLE will not suffer for the ACTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT!!! As the POWERS THAT BE DESTROY AMERICA’S INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION for “LIBERTY” and “FREE-MARKET,” in the end, the EXPERIENCE GAINED BY THESE CRIMINALS will MOST ASSUREDLY be USED TO SUBJUGATE US ALL!!!! Remember: SLAVERY NEVER ENDED!!! It just got OUTSOURCED TO THE THIRD-WORLD!!!!!
The PEOPLE OF HAITI are NOT LOOKING FOR A HAND-OUT! They are LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT… of the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT’S MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL-SCIENTIFIC CROSS-HAIRS!!!!! They have declared FREEDOM from SLAVERY A LONG TIME AGO!!! It is the CORPORATE and GOVERNMENT INTERESTS HAVE IGNORED THEIR WILL!!!
Who knows what be happening in Haiti right now if the nation WAS ALLOWED a LEGITIMATE HAITIAN-BASED FORM OF GOVERNMENT, instead of a PUPPET SHOW, ORCHESTRATED BY THE US MILITARY!!! I can’t say for sure, but I BET OUR GOVERNMENT KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT!!!
And, with BUSH co-coordinating efforts in Haiti after the devastation, we ALL KNOW WHAT IS COMING NEXT!!! HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DESTROYING the HAITIAN “DEMOCRACY” in 2004!!! And, AS WE ALL KNOW, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIASCO in NEW ORLEANS after Hurricane Katrina!!!! For more information about the SCOPE of IT ALL, check out this video:
Randall Robinson on Obama Tapping Bush to Co-Chair US Relief Efforts
First, Robinson commends Obama for pledging financial support for Haiti, and other such measures. But, as the interview continues, he begins to develop the bigger picture, saying, “I hope that this experience, this disaster, causes American media to take a keener look at Haiti, at the Haitian people, at their wonderful creativity, at their art, at their culture, and what they’ve had to bear. It has been described to the American people as a problem of their own making. Well, that’s simply not the case. Haiti has been, of course, put upon by outside powers for its whole post-slavery history, from 1804 up until the present.
Of course, PRESIDENT BUSH was responsible for destroying Haitian democracy in 2004, when he and American forces abducted President Aristide and his wife, taking them off to Africa, and they are now in South Africa. PRESIDENT CLINTON has largely sponsored a program of economic development that supports the idea of sweatshops. Haitians in Haiti today make 38 cents an hour. They don’t make a high enough wage to pay for their lunch and transportation to and from work. But this is the kind of economic program that President Clinton has supported. I think that is sad, that these two should be joined in this kind of effort. It sends, I think, the wrong kind of signal.” CLASSIC DOUBLE-THINK!!! Why WOULD HE SUPPORT OBAMA’S PLEDGE OF AID WHEN OBAMA IS DELIVERING IT TO THE CRIMINALS – BUSH and CLINTON? Could it be that OBAMA is a CRIMINAL, TOO? Not in Robinson’s mind, apparently!!!
As you can see, OUR GOVERNMENT “LEADERS” will use the CURRENT CRISIS in HAITI as an OPPORTUNITY to USHER in POLICIES that are GEARED TOWARDS CORPORATE and INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL INTERESTS, and HOSTILE TOWARDS INDIVIDUALS and FREEDOM!!!
In fact, in November 2008, RAHM EMMANUEL, OBAMA’S PICK for CHIEF OF STAFF, said it all when he declared: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” Those are SOME VERY TELLING WORDS ABOUT OUR “LEADERS.” They are NOTHING MORE THAN OPPORTUNISTIC INFECTIONS, FEEDING OFF the SICKLY BODY OF THE WORLD!!!! And, our sickness has always been the same, and is based in the INDIVIDUAL: GROUP-THINK, DOUBLE-THINK, and the OUTSOURCING OF OUR HUMANITY to SOULLESS GOVERNMENT and CORPORATE ENTITIES!!!
Therefore, I WILL NOT BE DIVIDED and CONQUERED! THE OTHER POOR PEOPLE of the WORLD are NOTHING MORE THAN FELLOW HOSTS of the PARASITIC INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS and BLOOD-SUCKING INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS that CONTROL THE ECONOMIES OF THE WORLD.
Raymond M.: Kenny, you’re a real tool for believing Pat Robinson.
Kenny C.: who the hell says i believe in pat robinson, i dont even kno who that is
Raymond M.: Ken, sound’s like you’ve gotten terribly ethnocentric and paranoid from listening to Pat Robertson.”
Kenny C.: not all people from a specific country are all the same person, there are some that have certain beliefs, like voodoo. Doesnt mean i believe in a person that i never even heard of…
Kenny C.: lol@Xus Stru…i guess u realized i really didnt say i believe in this guy.
Rayn: Kenny, you should read all of the responses above.
I said: “psuedo-Reverend Pat ‘the Pig’ Robertson accused the Haitian people of making a ‘pact with the devil’ to rid themselves of the French. He claimed that, for this reason, ‘ever since, [the Haitian people] have been cursed by one thing after the other,’ implying that the Haitian people deserved to suffer from this month’s devastating earthquake.”
Your response to this was: “well the fact that they made a deal with the devil may be true anyway.”
In this way, you INDEED agreed with Pat Roberton!
That is why I responded to your response by saying: “It is NOT a ‘fact’ or ‘true’ that the people of Haiti made a “deal with the devil”!!! Pat Robertson is a MISERABLE, HATEFUL, SMALL-MINDED TROLL!!! If anything, HE made a ‘PACT WITH THE DEVIL’ to LEAD HIS FOLLOWERS ASTRAY!!!!”
Kenny C.: “May be” does not mean i agree…at all.
it is not a fact or true.
there is devil worshipers in america too, i do not agree with nor believe in someone that i never even heard of.
and the only devil that haitians made a deal with is the US government.
and it is possible that th devil pat robertson is refering to is the US Government.
Because even Hugo Chavez says that America Government has a Earthquake machine and Haiti was only a test run of what is next…(Iran)
(update: in the face of comments that Kenny C. made on my later Facebook post, “Discussing the History of America’s Meddling With Haiti,” I was compelled to post the following finally reply to him)
Rayn: In comments you made in my later post featuring the Haitian ambassador to the U.S., Kenny, you appeared to have a lot more facts then you displayed here, and more respect for the people of Haiti because of the new information, so I am satisfied that the comments you made here were simply based on your own limited personal experience with Haitian people. Once you were given more facts about US involvement in Haiti, and my examples of personal experience from school, you easily and openly incorporated the new facts into your perception. Afterwards, you had many more positive things to say about the people of Haiti then what you originally put here. I was glad for it, so I chose not to make a big issue out of what you said here. I respected the fact that you could be made to see the light, and did not fight it, or cling to your original sentiments! That’s skillz, to me! People don’t have to know everything, they just have to be humble, and open to the truth in order to learn! That is how I learn, at least!
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